@Chess_Agent - mostly agree.
Moderators seeing chat - in practice this just gets annoying and gets moderators worked up. Getting entire chat messed up by flooding (for example) is annoying even if you are the only one who sees it. Better to just keep everyone oblivious.
@ragritz - filters are not meant to catch all bad stuff, just the obvious and sometimes emotional outbursts (someone swindles you, you go to chat to say F them... not the way to handle it, but happens). Determined trolls will always think of creative ways around this... but to the casual onlooker and more importantly kids, the garbled 1s Es whatever starts to look like nonsense, even if adults understand it. And adults are meant to be adults - if they cannot tolerate some bad stuff on the web, they should close chat... or not even bother coming online (i.e. someone who is so offended by seeing the word f*** spelled out is simply too sensitive to be online!)
For like/dislike - this is the very basis of reddit - and it seems to work just fine. Yes, there will always be "haters" who neg stuff... big deal. How would anything on reddit be liked if only haters existed? You could even track counts of likes and dislikes given... and eventually just turn off a user's ability to dislike if they only neg. Also in terms of mindless stuff, again, this is how reddit works already. Karma, as meaningless as it is, makes users self-police to an extant. Chat and forum posts could be included for lichess "karma".... the main point with karma is to make the community control what it wants to see as much as possible, to lessen the load on lichess admins (as an important start), and also to let the community become what it wants to (like reddit has... with admins stepping in on the occasion that the community fails)
Lichess is in a unique position that it is not beholden to advertisers or investors so that it needs to micro-manage all aspects of the site "in case it looks bad". I mainly find stuff that "messes up" chat (e.g. flooding) more offensive than "bad" chat - simply because I can ignore idiots - hard to do when someone is flooding 100s of lines. Reddit largely has the hands-off approach - and has potentially very disturbing subreddits (racist and everything else). Put a "I am 18 and accept that I may see adult chat" warning box that a user must click before seeing chat like reddit does. I mean, really, let adults chat - big f'in deal if they say some bad sh*t :P
Moderators seeing chat - in practice this just gets annoying and gets moderators worked up. Getting entire chat messed up by flooding (for example) is annoying even if you are the only one who sees it. Better to just keep everyone oblivious.
@ragritz - filters are not meant to catch all bad stuff, just the obvious and sometimes emotional outbursts (someone swindles you, you go to chat to say F them... not the way to handle it, but happens). Determined trolls will always think of creative ways around this... but to the casual onlooker and more importantly kids, the garbled 1s Es whatever starts to look like nonsense, even if adults understand it. And adults are meant to be adults - if they cannot tolerate some bad stuff on the web, they should close chat... or not even bother coming online (i.e. someone who is so offended by seeing the word f*** spelled out is simply too sensitive to be online!)
For like/dislike - this is the very basis of reddit - and it seems to work just fine. Yes, there will always be "haters" who neg stuff... big deal. How would anything on reddit be liked if only haters existed? You could even track counts of likes and dislikes given... and eventually just turn off a user's ability to dislike if they only neg. Also in terms of mindless stuff, again, this is how reddit works already. Karma, as meaningless as it is, makes users self-police to an extant. Chat and forum posts could be included for lichess "karma".... the main point with karma is to make the community control what it wants to see as much as possible, to lessen the load on lichess admins (as an important start), and also to let the community become what it wants to (like reddit has... with admins stepping in on the occasion that the community fails)
Lichess is in a unique position that it is not beholden to advertisers or investors so that it needs to micro-manage all aspects of the site "in case it looks bad". I mainly find stuff that "messes up" chat (e.g. flooding) more offensive than "bad" chat - simply because I can ignore idiots - hard to do when someone is flooding 100s of lines. Reddit largely has the hands-off approach - and has potentially very disturbing subreddits (racist and everything else). Put a "I am 18 and accept that I may see adult chat" warning box that a user must click before seeing chat like reddit does. I mean, really, let adults chat - big f'in deal if they say some bad sh*t :P