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They didn't mark pepellou's account, they closed it completely which means you can't click on his name then view the games, but it is possible to get to the games via the search.
By making it more difficult, it is hard for us to run our own analysis on them, but it is almost certain they are past the "threshold" by which they go, and it's likely on chess.com he passed that threshold too back in 2015.
The question is whether these thresholds are proof or just a likelihood.
By making it more difficult, it is hard for us to run our own analysis on them, but it is almost certain they are past the "threshold" by which they go, and it's likely on chess.com he passed that threshold too back in 2015.
The question is whether these thresholds are proof or just a likelihood.
Where is proof that the account was closed by Lichess and not the account holder himself?
As a matter of fact, he *was* marked for cheating, as there are tournaments with his name removed from the scoreboard.
As a matter of fact, he *was* marked for cheating, as there are tournaments with his name removed from the scoreboard.
He told me on his discord channel
@earlpurple said in #124:
> He told me on his discord channel
So what does he say about being banned both from chess.com and lichess ? Neither site recognizes his chess genius ?
> He told me on his discord channel
So what does he say about being banned both from chess.com and lichess ? Neither site recognizes his chess genius ?
He told me a long time ago actually he'd had an account closed there, and said he never bothered contesting it.
He has a new account on chess.com and is even on the staff there, which surprises me if it's a second chance account (and to have a second chance account he would need to confess he cheated on the first).
He has a new account on chess.com and is even on the staff there, which surprises me if it's a second chance account (and to have a second chance account he would need to confess he cheated on the first).
I thought he denied the marked account on chesscom being his account, in the discord when someone asked him.
This is truly an awkward and unfortunate situation. :(
My guess is they closed instead of just flagging because he's a public figure and lichess wanted to avoid this "debate", and also gracefully give him the option to either publicly disclose his ban or not, sensible decision since he actually works for another chess site.
They probably would reopen the account if pepellou asked.
@earlpurple It's an interesting question I think one can have a lot of data but a definitive proof of cheating is close to impossible to gather (unless you see the reflection of the engine running in his glasses or something), but the higher rated you are to the cheater the better you would be at understanding the intent and at detecting inhuman moves.
Especially since pepe is a dev, a smart fellow and an excellent chess player so if he cheated, he would have done it in a very hard to detect fashion.
So basically the choices revolve around, trusting pepe, trusting lichess or improving your cheat detection skills to the point where you can understand lichess decision but without access to the mods, their thought process or their proofs you won't be able to convince them anyway.
So I'm afraid that's it, it's sad but it's done.
They probably would reopen the account if pepellou asked.
@earlpurple It's an interesting question I think one can have a lot of data but a definitive proof of cheating is close to impossible to gather (unless you see the reflection of the engine running in his glasses or something), but the higher rated you are to the cheater the better you would be at understanding the intent and at detecting inhuman moves.
Especially since pepe is a dev, a smart fellow and an excellent chess player so if he cheated, he would have done it in a very hard to detect fashion.
So basically the choices revolve around, trusting pepe, trusting lichess or improving your cheat detection skills to the point where you can understand lichess decision but without access to the mods, their thought process or their proofs you won't be able to convince them anyway.
So I'm afraid that's it, it's sad but it's done.
A very clever cheat would do so to an extent that it would raise their level a bit but not such much above what they really are.
Of course he'd need a different device that is watching the game. Different IP address and you can watch games on lichess without logging in. Getting a different IP address is easy - just use a mobile phone and if your software runs from a laptop then tether it to the phone hotspot whilst your other computer uses a LAN or home WIFI. Doesn't take a computer genius to do that.
As far as I know anonymous viewers don't get evaluation lines or anything like that, so that's where some programming knowledge needs to come in. As he works for Chessable he probably has the knowledge of how to do that.
That extra device might not need to be visible. If he's streaming and using a headset, maybe he can receive sound through the headset from the other device (or have another bluetooth earpiece hidden under the headset where you won't see it, and that will get the sound)
So yes, I am sure he is technically capable of cheating. That doesn't prove he did so.
Of course he'd need a different device that is watching the game. Different IP address and you can watch games on lichess without logging in. Getting a different IP address is easy - just use a mobile phone and if your software runs from a laptop then tether it to the phone hotspot whilst your other computer uses a LAN or home WIFI. Doesn't take a computer genius to do that.
As far as I know anonymous viewers don't get evaluation lines or anything like that, so that's where some programming knowledge needs to come in. As he works for Chessable he probably has the knowledge of how to do that.
That extra device might not need to be visible. If he's streaming and using a headset, maybe he can receive sound through the headset from the other device (or have another bluetooth earpiece hidden under the headset where you won't see it, and that will get the sound)
So yes, I am sure he is technically capable of cheating. That doesn't prove he did so.
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